just cuz you say oppression doesn’t exist in the ‘first world’ doesn’t mean it’s true, you know.
Never have I’ve seen any one else but white dudes say that they are mra’s. You know who else was worried about losing their ignorant privileges?
I’ll give you a hint:
I believe plenty of women identify as MRA’s.
Any followers in particular do so?
I follow a few, myself. But most of the people I follow who support men’s rights either identify as both mras and feminists or just as egalitarians or equalists.
I’m an egalitarian that focuses on male human rights, I’m a transsexual man.
Anonymous asked mensrights:
just cuz you say oppression doesn’t exist in the ‘first world’ doesn’t mean it’s true, you know.
Just seen your post replying to phoebulous’ ask, and I would just like to say that though circumcision has (that I know of) no health benefits for men it has been shown to reduce the risk of HPV for the female partners of circumcised males, however, I do believe that circumcision should be left until a male is at an age where they are able to choose. Other than that kudos on the amazing reply to the aforementioned blogger
That first sentence… I certainly don’t expect anything along the lines of “oh you poor thing, let me give you a hug,” but the snark? I came here for information, and you gave it to me. It truly was an enlightening experience (that sounds sarcastic… it’s not, I swear >_>). However, the only thing I didn’t appreciate was that first sentence. I’d just rather not have my attempts at being nice get shot down, y’know? So one last thing: do you want me to go away? I can, if you want.
Hrm… okay. Maybe I’ve been given the wrong impression. I doubt you say one thing and do another. I’m not the best with social cues either, especially over the internet. Although I am curious about one more thing, which I probably should have stated from the start (you’re probably groaning right now, but bear with me here D:). The thing that was closer to the underlying message was what are your thoughts on things that men have generally had more rights for IN THE PAST?
Remember when I said I was bad with words? Yeah. I came up with a better word for “oppression.” Attacking. What I think I meant was “what are your thoughts on men attacking women?” Do you view it to be as bad as the flip side? Once again, I’m sorry if I’m bugging you, I just find you to be an interesting person. And I -really- need to work on getting over my intense social anxiety, so this is a good thing to start on. Talking over the internet. :B
Love if you were any more meek the sheep would pick you last for dodgeball.
Nobody had more rights in the past. In fact, everybody had less rights in the past.
Again I press that it has never been Sex vs Sex until now, things like suffrage were not “all men can do this but no women can do this”. It was only the rich may vote, only a white family owning land may vote (one vote, even if there are multiple men in the home), only white men may vote, only white men and women may vote, and then through a span of about 60 years other minority groups were gradually allowed to vote.
It wasn’t men vs women, it was rich vs poor and white vs every other ethnic group. I’ll repeat what I said about third world oppression, it’s never about the oppressor’s sex or the oppressed’s sex, it’s how much they have in their wallet, what faith they believe in, or if they have the biggest gun.
And I believe it’s awful for anyone to attack anyone, but when we live in a world where a woman can sneak up on her husband in his sleep, set him on fire with a chemical she made in her garage similar to napalm, burn him alive, and be heralded as a hero? To be convicted of manslaughter instead of first degree murder (as she premeditated it, she literally sat in her garage and MADE NAPALM. FROM SCRATCH). And they made a movie out of it? With her as the beautiful heroine?
Or when a woman can drug her husband, cut his penis off, put it in the garborator and then call the cops on herself out of pride and without fear of any repercussions? When a talk show made entirely up of women finds the story and laughs about someone being horribly maimed (for DARING to want a divorce, how dare he). And when she (Sharon Osborne) is forced to make an apology, she laughs through that too.
And when some NRA crazies go and make bleeding targets where FIFTEEN OF THEM ARE MALE and only ONE of them are female, the ONLY THING news outlets and feminists care about is that one female target. And how disgusting it is when they claim that that one female target is proof of normalization of violence against women, when they’re ignoring the 15 male targets being gunned down. Like????? Do you not understand that if everybody is up in arms about one female target, but is completely okay with the 15 male targets then violence against women is not the problem here?
So, yes, in closing I believe violence against anyone is awful. But we live in a society where violence against men (especially by women) is some heroic deed that deserves praise and movies being made about you and giggles from a daytime talk show. So I’m sorry if I lean towards caring about male victims of violence. My emotions are only reactionary to the amount of disinterest and lack of compassion from the rest of the world at large.
I have a question regarding your URL. Your URL implies that you strive for political rights, like voting. (Sorry if I’m not phrasing this correctly, I’m horrible with words) However, you seem to be more of a social justice person. So what are your thoughts on political rights for men? Note: okay, it seems like political rights isn’t the best word choice. But it’s the closest to what I mean. Just… ask if you need more clarification. :x
Oh! One more question that I probably should have tacked on, despite the character limit. What are your thoughts about male oppression? As in, when males oppress females? You appear passionate about the reverse, and I was curious as to your thoughts on this. I apologize if you’ve covered this already, I’ve scrolled though several pages of your blog and didn’t find the answer. I also apologize if I rub off as hateful. That’s not my intention. :c
Hello yes, like I said earlier my ask box isn’t working correctly (When I click the reply button it just disappears?).
So this is just going to be another text post.
Okay, my url. Originally this blog was going to be a hub for information, if you look at the earlier posts it was mostly just me finding articles, and then posting them here and linking back to the many sites that the articles came from. A sort of place to organize and collect and store resources.
But when I found such amazing blogs as permutationofninjas, who were already doing that (and much better than I could) then this devolved into a sort of personal blog with the egalitarian theme.
By “rights” in mensrights, I mean things like a right to bodily integrity, right to a fair trial, right against unwarranted search and seizure. All of these are under attack by political feminism, or not even so much so a direct…. maleficent… force.
I don’t claim that Circumcision (bodily integrity) is some big feminist ploy vis a vis The Matriarchy (tm). More so that it’s part of some societal status quo where it’s been going on so long that nobody understands how horrible and cruel it is. It’s a right that was lost to baby boys and nobody noticed it go. Nobody cares. That’s a part of male human rights that I fight for.
But then there’s things like Rape Shield laws, or the Primary Aggressor laws, which are a direct consequence of scholarly and then political feminism writing its own dogma into our legal system. Part of a fair trail is the ability to face your accuser(so long as they are a legal adult), but with rape shield laws the accuser gets to hide her identity but still press charges.
Imagine if you had the power to ruin somebody’s life. Imagine if there were no consequences. Imagine you could sit in court with your name and face hidden from all record of the event, while all the cameras are on him, labeling an abuser, a violent sick animal, a rapist. Phone the police and tell them he hit you, they take him away immediately, no more questions asked.
That’s wrong. That’s enabling sick people to use the legal system to bully and abuse innocent people.
And in family court, where you can use primary aggressor laws to drag your (innocent) husband out of his home and away from his children. Or you don’t even have to go that far, with no fault divorce you can rip his entire life out from under him by signing a couple papers. That’s the power to legally make someone homeless, that’s the power to legally steal someones baby away from them, that’s the power to legally steal most if not all of someone’s paychecks every month, supposedly to spend on the baby he’s never going to see again. And if he can’t handle it? If he gets put out of the job for even a week, that’s the power to legally put someone in debtor’s prison.
Those are rights lost as well as legal imbalances of power that let evil people abuse innocent people, and the flow of that power in these cases are all with women at the top and men at the bottom. Men least likely to get custody, men charged 120% of their paychecks in child support and alimony, men falsely imprisoned on abuse charges made in unfair trail, and being surgically abused not 20 minutes out of the womb.
I am not for “Social justice”. I believe that given enough time society knows what’s right. It’s the piles and piles of laws and ingrained inbred traditions that need to be changed. I don’t care if Sally Sallyson is mad because she “has” to shave, and I don’t care if Johnny Johnson is mad he “can’t” have a neck beard. Pissing and spitting on the internet isn’t going to help any of that, and certainly crying about how Patriarchy/Matriarchy is oppressing us so we can’t do anything won’t help either.
Society will sort its self out. But it’s really telling, how women have been able to wear pants with no social stigma for 60 or so years now, but men and trans women are still beaten to death for wearing women’s clothes.
But the only way to fix that is to be as compassionate as we can. These are the sort of things that feminism wants to fix with laws, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Right for the second part of that.
In the first world.
nobody is oppressed please repeat after me:
NOBODY IS OPPRESSED.
And I’m a little peeved at you for implying that I ever said anything of the sort.
Really, the only people in the first world who are oppressed would probably be illegal immigrants. No access to health care, no access to steady pay, no access to community assets or resources that require ID. If I had to live like that I’d probably start screaming and never stop.
Have you ever thought about that before? What it’s like to live in a country but have none of the protections and liberties that are automatically provided to citizens of that country?
But as for other places of the world, oppression does exist. There’s the military enforced oppression against the people in the Middle East. There’s the unlawful detainment and starvation and torture of it’s own people in North Korea.
But these forms of oppression come in the Economical Class, Religious, and Military flavours. It is not Sex vs Sex, it’s Rich vs Poor, Believers vs Heretics, and Uniforms vs Civilians.
For anyone implying that that sort of Oppression is because of the oppressor’s sex or the oppressed’s sex is an ingornant child, or somebody pushing an agenda.
I do hope you realize that your blog is the biggest fucking joke ever
A blog I used to enjoy, sexworkerproblems, bit off a little more than they could chew.
It’s funny watching the chaos, really.
See, I liked them because they’re virtually the only sex work related blog that recognized male and transsexual individuals. Which is refreshing, because on this website the sex work sphere quickly devolved into the hive “sisterhood” of circles upon circles of echo chamber blogs all taking eachother’s posts and passing them around until every idea and every stance is the exact same.
But they tried to pull the “We aren’t anti or pro misandry…. but misandry doesn’t real and also male sex workers have it easy” line.
Yeah, I haven’t even tried to approach them, because it seems everyone who has up to this point has only gotten canned answers of “But only 3% of rapists ever see a day in jail!” and “The majority of rapists are white cis males in their 30’s!!”
I’m going to tag the blog here, and if any of their mods want to debate with me here I’d be happy to.
Tumblr user just-smith has suffered rape and sexual abuse by women, so for a personal experience you may ask him. Also I recall one of the moderators at PON mentioning that they had also been raped, but I don’t remember which moderator it had been. Please be sensitive with them on broaching the topic though.
With regards to female on male rape, I’d suggest looking through news articles on female teachers who rape their male students. Of course the reverse happens as well, and it is equally horrible, but I’d like while you’re reading to look at the language being used in the articles.
Notice in this article, near the bottom, it takes pains to add in that the rape was “consensual”. This was between an adult woman and an underaged boy. There is no consent when it comes to statutory rape, statutory rape law is in place to protect children from predatory/manipulative adults. You could have a twelve year old girl who “consents” to sex with a 40 year old man, that doesn’t make it consensual sex.
Even further still, in the Teacher/Student relationship, Ms. Queen used her position of power and authority over the child in her abuse of him.
In this article we have a grown woman who raped a 15 year old boy. The author of the story makes sure to add in that the rapist is an “amazing person”. At the very end of the article they skim over the fact that she kidnapped the boy for a week.
This 44 year old woman raped a 12 year old boy.
They described the year long sexual abuse of the middle schooler as an “inappropriate relationship”. And they also decided to describe the statutory rape of a male child as nothing more than “sexual contact.”
I’m sorry, it’s hard to find news reports on male rape victims because as you can see from the articles above (as well as the others I hope you’ll google for) is that when the victim is a boy and the abuser is a women people just don’t care.
In these we’ve seen women use the power dynamic of an adult’s authority over a child to hurt these boys. One of them abducted a boy for an entire week while she raped him in some motel. Another had a boy trapped in a cycle of abuse for an entire year before anyone thought to help him.
And these were only ever documented because these women were in the public eye.
I’m a sex worker, yes.